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The Calgary Sun: Turns out peaceniks were the real patriots all along
by digitalreporter at 11:34 am EDT, Jun 22, 2004

It should anger all of us, this Fahrenheit 9/11 film. In fact, Michael Moore's award-winning, irritatingly incisive expose of Bush Junior and his strike-first-and-ask-questions-never bully boys, should leave Calgarians particularly peeved, since it is a celluloid confirmation of betrayal by a president much loved in these parts. How hard it will be for some of us to finally confront the truth. Those who have been made fools.

After all, think back.

When Dubya decided to embark on his misadventure in Iraq, sentiment in this country from coast to coast to coast swung solidly against signing up with the coalition for the killing, cautious about a common cause that was righteous in rhetoric but murky in motives. At the time, precious little skepticism surfaced in Calgary, however.

A solid majority of this city's citizens, including the overwhelmingly-adored favourite sons Ralph Klein and Stephen Harper, were gung-ho Geronimo ready to send our forces into the firefight, semper fi, do-or-die. The good ol' U.S. of A. Their country, right or wrong. Let's twist those Iraqi wrists until they say Uncle ... Sam.

Only a few thousand stalwarts, activists like Noel Ainsley, took to the streets to sound the alarm, shocked but refusing to be awed by the promised pulverizing. They did nothing rude or radical, simply questioned the edicts of authority.

Where were those weapons of mass destruction? Did the Iraqis really pose a imminent threat to us? Why could we not wait for the UN inspectors to complete their mission, mere weeks? Where WAS this alleged link between 9/11 and Iraq?

If no link, and there isn't, then what was the real purpose of the war? Why were the swimming-in-oil Saudis not pursued, Saudi Arabia being home base to most of the hijackers and the big bucks of the bin Laden clan? Why did 9/11 itself somehow get lost in the shuffle, with no card ever assigned out of the famous deck?

Ask those questions last year around these hawkish environs and you'd bear the bull's-eye, targeted as a traitor, an appeaser, an anti-American, a peacenik, a wimp, a Saddam sympathizer, some sort of snot who would have rolled over for Hitler if you'd been born back before the Big One.

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RE: The Calgary Sun: Turns out peaceniks were the real patriots all along
by Decius at 10:13 am EDT, Jun 23, 2004

digitalreporter wrote:
] Only a few thousand stalwarts, activists like Noel Ainsley,
] took to the streets to sound the alarm, shocked but refusing
] to be awed by the promised pulverizing. They did nothing rude
] or radical, simply questioned the edicts of authority.

Good to hear the peaceniks in Canada were actually peaceful. Not so much in San Francisco if I recall. The only arguement made for the Iraq war that was compelling was the imminent threat arguement, made by Blair. If Stratfor is believed (and I do) the real reasons were never argued. Blair's argument has been crushed almost as much as you can crush it. Iraq/Al'Q links are scarce. Even Bush/Cheney admit the relationship was budding, not developed, which precludes the idea of imminence. The WMD are non existent. Scott Ritter said so much at the time, and the media simply tried to write him off as a kook. He was dead right.

I still think that it was reasonable to worry that Iraq might give WMD to Al'Q. The guy gave cash to Hezbollah. However, I worry about a lot of things. The question is how likely was this to happen on short order. Turns out not too likely at all.

But please don't call the peaceniks patriots. I supported the invasion of Afghanistan, but I was uncertain enough on the eve of the Iraq war to seriously consider whether or not I should protest. I might have, if the rallies weren't run by International Answer. I'd rather stand with Bush, when he is wrong, the Internation Answer at their best moment. These people are not patriots. They hate the United States and they hate democratic government. They hate capitalism, and they hate certain kinds of freedom.

RE: The Calgary Sun: Turns out peaceniks were the real patriots all along
by flynn23 at 11:10 am EDT, Jun 23, 2004

Decius wrote:
] digitalreporter wrote:
] ] Only a few thousand stalwarts, activists like Noel Ainsley,
] ] took to the streets to sound the alarm, shocked but refusing
]
] ] to be awed by the promised pulverizing. They did nothing
] rude
] ] or radical, simply questioned the edicts of authority.
]
] Good to hear the peaceniks in Canada were actually peaceful.
] Not so much in San Francisco if I recall. The only arguement
] made for the Iraq war that was compelling was the imminent
] threat arguement, made by Blair. If Stratfor is believed (and
] I do) the real reasons were never argued. Blair's argument has
] been crushed almost as much as you can crush it. Iraq/Al'Q
] links are scarce. Even Bush/Cheney admit the relationship was
] budding, not developed, which precludes the idea of imminence.
] The WMD are non existent. Scott Ritter said so much at the
] time, and the media simply tried to write him off as a kook.
] He was dead right.
]
] I still think that it was reasonable to worry that Iraq might
] give WMD to Al'Q. The guy gave cash to Hezbollah. However, I
] worry about a lot of things. The question is how likely was
] this to happen on short order. Turns out not too likely at
] all.
]
] But please don't call the peaceniks patriots. I supported the
] invasion of Afghanistan, but I was uncertain enough on the eve
] of the Iraq war to seriously consider whether or not I should
] protest. I might have, if the rallies weren't run by
] International Answer. I'd rather stand with Bush, when he is
] wrong, the Internation Answer at their best moment. These
] people are not patriots. They hate the United States and they
] hate democratic government. They hate capitalism, and they
] hate certain kinds of freedom.

It's never going to be black and white. Good and evil. People who see it like this are fools. Including Dubya. When people question my stance against him, it's not because I think he's an idiot or hate Republicans in general. It's because he lied. The reason why we went to Iraq has been well documented here and elsewhere. It was to influence the region with our western/capitalism presence. If he and the administration would've just SAID THAT, I think it would've gone a long way towards credibility (albeit Imperialism!). Instead, he lied and said it was about WMD and/or Al'Q and/or whatever. For a brief moment, the whole world was behind us. Now the whole world is against us. And it's because of this shit.

If anyone over there needed their asses kicked, it was the Saudis. They're responsible for 90% of this crap. They float the money to the jihad'ists in Israel and all over the world. They shake our hands with a knive behind their backs in the other hand. The quicker we can lessen our dependance on their products, the quicker we see anti-US Islamic fundamentalistic terrorism whither. And I think that having a cozy relationship with the "new Iraq" is a step towards that day. I think that was the plan the whole time.

But I still disagree with the whole concept of killing people to achieve any of this. Lieing about it just makes it 10x worse. And it's us and our children who will ultimately pay the price for this indescretion.

The Calgary Sun: Turns out peaceniks were the real patriots all along
by skullaria at 7:46 am EDT, Jun 23, 2004

I will NEVER understand why the book 'Sleeping with the Devil' was not more widely discussed by the media.

A lot of people did have questions, but none of them seemed to matter.

WE, as a country, seem to insist on lack of literacy in Congress.

The only thing they seem to want to read is the files they aren't supposed to on the Democrat's shared drives.
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After all, think back.

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