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Mr. Bush's Version (of History? of the Present? of Reality?)
by Decius at 10:49 pm EST, Feb 9, 2004

JLM says: Freedom of the press in action. The word 'skewer' comes to mind. Looking back, this interview will be seen as a turning point.

I say: This oped is sharp.


 
RE: Mr. Bush's Version (of History? of the Present? of Reality?)
by Elonka at 10:23 pm EST, Feb 10, 2004

Decius wrote:
] I say: This oped is sharp.

I say: It sounded like just another anti-Bush piece to me. It has a few good points, but also trots out some other tired and unproven accusations. For example, accusing the Bush administration of wanting to invade Iraq pre-9/11. And again misquoting Kay's report.

Different readers, different views (shrug).

To really get my attention, an essay has to be able to list both good things and bad things about a particular event. That would tell me that the writer was trying to honestly present both sides of an issue. This editorial was focused almost exclusively on pointing out negatives, so, personally, I file it away under "More election year crap."


  
RE: Mr. Bush's Version (of History? of the Present? of Reality?)
by Decius at 10:31 pm EST, Feb 10, 2004

Elonka wrote:
] I say: It sounded like just another anti-Bush piece to me.
] It has a few good points, but also trots out some other tired
] and unproven accusations. For example, accusing the Bush
] administration of wanting to invade Iraq pre-9/11. And again
] misquoting Kay's report.
]
] Different readers, different views (shrug).
]
] To really get my attention, an essay has to be able to list
] both good things and bad things about a particular event.
] That would tell me that the writer was trying to honestly
] present both sides of an issue. This editorial was focused
] almost exclusively on pointing out negatives, so, personally,
] I file it away under "More election year crap."

You are correct that this article is very one sided.

I think it is sharp because it calls bush on one clear problem with his story. He is skittish on the WMD issue; within the same interview he offers multiple different perspectives on what has gone on or what we might find. There is some inconsistency there that I failed to point out when I commented on the essay.

Invading Iraq was definitely on the table before 9/11. We've had a sustained military situation for years there. Furthermore, I do not have a problem with that.


   
RE: Mr. Bush's Version (of History? of the Present? of Reality?)
by Elonka at 12:30 am EST, Feb 11, 2004

] Invading Iraq was definitely on the table before 9/11. We've
] had a sustained military situation for years there.
] Furthermore, I do not have a problem with that.

(nod) I hear what you're saying...

And I agree that invasion has been an option that was considered. The specific problem that I have with that part of the piece is that it's trying to reinforce the "Bush wanted to invade Iraq from Day 1" story, which I don't believe is true. It *is* true that regime change in Iraq was an early priority, but that's not solely a Bush thing -- multiple Presidents from both sides of the aisle have wanted Saddam gone. Not to mention the leaders of nearly every other nation on the planet.

My belief is that if Bush could have found a valid non-military option of removing Saddam, he would have taken it. But the piece doesn't say "Bush wanted Saddam gone." It says, "Bush wanted to invade". So that's one of the keyphrases that makes me lose interest. Any editorial or argument that tries to make the Iraq war sound like the result of some sort of personal problem that Bush had with Saddam, makes me lose respect for the author, because I feel that they're either (a) pushing an agenda; (b) irrational; or (c) uninformed.


Mr. Bush's Version (of History? of the Present? of Reality?)
by Jeremy at 10:51 am EST, Feb 9, 2004

The only clarity in the president's vision appears to be his own perfect sense of self-justification.

The questions average Americans are asking about Iraq seem much clearer than the ones Mr. Bush is willing to confront.

I'm sure this will get old soon, but ... let's hear it for average Americans! (sincerely, this time!)

Mr. Bush's explanation ... was simply silly. ... very hard to take seriously ...

... The president's claim ... was inaccurate ... questions even more disturbing ... responds by overreacting ...

In the coming campaign, Mr. Bush ... [must] show that he is capable ... and has the courage to tell the nation the truth ... Nothing in the interview offered much hope in that direction.

Freedom of the press in action. The word 'skewer' comes to mind. Looking back, this interview will be seen as a turning point.

There is at least one question I didn't hear Tim Russert ask yesterday. Can you guess it?

On a related note, another editorial in today's New York Times offers this comment:

The Bush administration needs to shed the melodrama, the "good and evil" posturing. It serves no purpose, and creates a lot of irritation.


 
 
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