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TheNewOrleansChannel.com - News - Court Opens Door To Searches Without Warrants
by Decius at 9:44 pm EST, Mar 29, 2004

] It's a groundbreaking court decision that legal experts
] say will affect everyone: Police officers in Louisiana no
] longer need a search or arrest warrant to conduct a brief
] search of your home or business.

This is a little hard to cipher through. The crimes the perp in question is accused of cloud the issue. Basically, these two officers show up at a residence looking to question someone. They have no warrants of any kind. Someone lets them into the residence, so they go back to the room the person they are looking for lives in. The person isn't there. So they go in and have a look around. They find evidence and submit it.

The police claim they felt at risk, and were worried that the individual might be hiding. Thing is, they weren't executing an arrest warrant, so basically the person in question had every right to hide, and if they felt they were at risk snooping around for him they should have left.

Typically the police are allowed to perform a "protective sweep" of a residence if they are there executing an arrest warrant. Now, in these states, they can execute a "protective sweep" at any time if they feel the situation poses a danger. In this case they were probably justified in feeling there was a danger. However, the fact is that the police consider any situation to be risky, and rightly so. You never know when you might end up in a dicey situation. That means they can perform a search any time they enter any residence for any reason. If they want to search your residence all they have to do is question you. Good by forth.

Whats really disturbing about this is that this is the 5th circuit to come to this conclusion. These rules might already apply to you.


 
RE: TheNewOrleansChannel.com - News - Court Opens Door To Searches Without Warrants
by Jeremy at 10:05 pm EST, Mar 29, 2004

Decius wrote:
] ] It's a groundbreaking court decision that legal experts
] ] say will affect everyone: Police officers in Louisiana no
] ] longer need a search or arrest warrant to conduct a brief
] ] search of your home or business.
]
] Holy Shit!!@#

The statement above (from the [local television!] news article) vastly oversimplifies this case. The typical viewer of WDSU channel 6 in New Orleans is not going to bother to read the full opinion, and WDSU wants a juicy teaser for their nightly news program, so they say things like this.

You can read the case at

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/circs/5th/0230629cr0p.pdf

where you'll find that the circumstances of this case make it far less sweeping than the above lead paragraph would imply.

My quick reading suggests that the crux of this case lies in two questions: 1) did the second resident (not the person wanted for questioning) have the authority to grant access to the bedroom? 2) is it reasonable to expect a person to be hiding in a closet?

The officers were admitted to the home by a resident. The officers were told that the person wanted for questioning was asleep in his bedroom. The bedroom door was open, and the person was not in bed. The officers entered, found no one standing in plain sight, and opened the closet door to see if he was hiding in the closet.

If the guns had been stored inside a locked, closed cabinet, the contents of which are not in plain view (that is, for example, the cabinet does not include a glass window on the front), then this case could well have turned out very differently. It is not reasonable to expect someone to be hiding in a cabinet.

Decius also wrote:
] This is a little hard to cipher through. The crimes the perp
] in question is accused of cloud the issue. Basically, these
] two officers show up at a residence looking to question
] someone. They have no warrants of any kind. Someone lets them
] into the residence, so they go back to the room the person
] they are looking for lives in. The person isn't there. So they
] go in and have a look around. They find evidence and submit
] it.

Actually, it's a little more complicated than that. They found the guns during the initial walkthrough, but they did not confiscate them at that time. Shortly thereafter, they found the man hiding in the woods. During questioning, they talked to him about the guns and asked for permission to search the residence. He then signed a written waiver giving them permission to return to the interior of the home and search the premises. They took the weapons into evidence at that time.

Even if they hadn't seen the guns on the first pass -- say they'd stopped at the bedroom door and turned around to look outside -- they would likely have found the guns on the subsequent (explictly permitted) search. The man gave them permission to search the house even after they'd told him they knew about the guns.


  
RE: TheNewOrleansChannel.com - News - Court Opens Door To Searches Without Warrants
by Decius at 10:35 pm EST, Mar 29, 2004

Jeremy wrote:
] If the guns had been stored inside a locked, closed cabinet,
] the contents of which are not in plain view (that is, for
] example, the cabinet does not include a glass window on the
] front), then this case could well have turned out very
] differently. It is not reasonable to expect someone to be
] hiding in a cabinet.

Thats true. I don't have time to read the case either. However, I might offer that if the police don't have an arrest warrant, is it really within their rights to search for someone who is hiding? If they guys doesn't want to talk to them he doesn't have to. They weren't welcome into the guy's space. If they felt at risk why not just leave? There seems to be no reason that this rule couldn't apply in a situation where they're, say, at my house for some reason, and they don't know me so they are "afraid" someone might be hiding in a closet. As they can decide to question me for pretty much any reason, that means they can search my apartment for pretty much any reason, as long as they don't look inside anything small.


TheNewOrleansChannel.com - News - Court Opens Door To Searches Without Warrants
by k at 1:57 pm EST, Mar 30, 2004

] It's a groundbreaking court decision that legal experts
] say will affect everyone: Police officers in Louisiana no
] longer need a search or arrest warrant to conduct a brief
] search of your home or business.

This is a little hard to cipher through. The crimes the perp in question is accused of cloud the issue. Basically, these two officers show up at a residence looking to question someone. They have no warrants of any kind. Someone lets them into the residence, so they go back to the room the person they are looking for lives in. The person isn't there. So they go in and have a look around. They find evidence and submit it.

The police claim they felt at risk, and were worried that the individual might be hiding. Thing is, they weren't executing an arrest warrant, so basically the person in question had every right to hide, and if they felt they were at risk snooping around for him they should have left.

Typically the police are allowed to perform a "protective sweep" of a residence if they are there executing an arrest warrant. Now, in these states, they can execute a "protective sweep" at any time if they feel the situation poses a danger. In this case they were probably justified in feeling there was a danger. However, the fact is that the police consider any situation to be risky, and rightly so. You never know when you might end up in a dicey situation. That means they can perform a search any time they enter any residence for any reason. If they want to search your residence all they have to do is question you. Good by forth.

Whats really disturbing about this is that this is the 5th circuit to come to this conclusion. These rules might already apply to you.

[ That sucks total balls. -k]


 
 
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