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|Newsday.com - World News|
by k at 5:43 pm EDT, May 11, 2004
] Michael Berg said he blamed the U.S. government for
] creating circumstances that led to his son's death. He
] said if his son hadn't been detained for so long, he
] might have been able to leave the country before the
] violence worsened.
] "I think a lot of people are fed up with the lack of
] civil rights this thing has caused," he said. "I don't
] think this administration is committed to democracy."
[ Idealistic young man goes to Iraq to help rebuild telecom infrastructure, gets detained at an Iraqi checkpoint, handed over to the US, then detained for a few weeks by the US for unknown reasons, then relased, only to be captured, and publicly executed by al Qaida linked terrorists. Doesn't get much worse than that.
I don't know if I blame the US for this one though, until more details come to light. Still, fuel for the fire, home and abroad. -k]
|Auzzy Herald Sun: Senseless and brutal|
by Decius at 11:43 am EDT, May 12, 2004
(Reposting with link properly embedded...)
] I don't know if I blame the US for this one though, until more
] details come to light. Still, fuel for the fire, home and
] abroad. -k]
Here is an Austrailian paper on the incident:
Such killings should only harden the resolve of coalition forces to bring democracy to Iraq and justice to terrorists...
For al-Zarqawi's reasoning to be accepted, we must also accept that he and other Islamic extremists did not care about the thousands of Muslims killed and tortured at the same prison by Saddam Hussein.
This is the SF Chronical:
The terrorists are not fooling anyone in the civilized world by trying to link this murder to the torture at Abu Ghraib. Neither is justifiable, and each must be addressed with fitting punishment.
Auzzy Herald Sun: Senseless and brutal
|Newsday.com - World News|
by Rattle at 9:20 pm EDT, May 11, 2004
The video showed Nick Berg, 26, in a staged execution carried out by an al-Qaida affiliated group. The video said the killing was to avenge the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by American soldiers.
"My name is Nick Berg, my father's name is Michael, my mother's name is Suzanne," the man said on the video before being killed. "I have a brother and sister, David and Sara. I live in ... Philadelphia."
"Hi Nick, my name is also Nick. My middle name is Michael, and it comes from my father's side of the family. I'm from the Jersey Shore."
Berg had traveled several times to Third World countries to help spread technology, his family said. He had previously traveled to Kenya and Ghana, where they said he had purchased a $900 brick-making press for a poor village, the family said.
"He had this idea that he could help rebuild the infrastructure," she said.
According to his father, he was caught only after US officials detained him without charging him or allowing access to a lawyer. I'm guessing he was being "discouraged" from leaving at a point when officials didn't want the appearance of contractors and the like all leaving? shrug.
|RE: Newsday.com - World News|
by Decius at 12:47 am EDT, May 12, 2004
] According to his father, he was caught only after US officials
] detained him without charging him or allowing access to a
] lawyer. I'm guessing he was being "discouraged" from leaving
] at a point when officials didn't want the appearance of
] contractors and the like all leaving? shrug.
Well, it was inevitable that this would show up here. The circumstances involving his detention are certainly frustrating for the family, but seriously Iraq is a tough place and if you have the guts to go there you need to be prepared for this.
How do you process this? Were you angry after 911? Did you want to see someone get nailed for it? Well, so did they, when they saw how our GI's run a POW camp. Our abstract, deliberative system of justice is constantly strained by the weight of the real emotions that drive the violence it enacts. There's, I imagine, is a world where those emotions run unconstrained. And so violence becomes a cycle.
The clearest way to break that cycle is to simply break it, by not seeking justice. Unfortunately, sometimes it is impossible to do that and maintain your security.
U:Some probably better considered responses are offered in another post I made to this thread...