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The red and the blue, by Joseph Nye
by noteworthy at 11:24 pm EST, Dec 1, 2004

Some observers complain about the divisive negative rhetoric and advertising that characterised the [2004 US Presidential] campaign. But this should be seen in historical perspective.

In the era of the Founding Fathers, newspapers were extremely partisan, and George Washington was dismayed by the harshness of political language. For much of its early history -- to say nothing of the era of the Civil War and Reconstruction -- the country was as closely divided as it is today, and bitter campaign rhetoric reflected the closeness of the competition.

On this topic, I would point people to two books recommended here earlier: "The Creation of the Media" by Paul Starr and "Freedom Just Around the Corner" by Walter McDougall.

Cities versus suburbs and rural areas is a better description than coasts versus heartland.

If urbanization creates (or exacerbates) political polarization, what does this mean for China?


The red and the blue, by Joseph Nye
by Decius at 2:25 pm EST, Dec 2, 2004

] Political elites, such as party activists and members of
] Congress, tend to be more extreme than the public.
]
] At first, this seems puzzling, because they should have
] an incentive to move to the vote-rich middle. But many
] members of Congress represent districts that are safe for
] their parties, and the threat to their re-election comes
] in party primaries that are dominated by the more
] activist and extreme wings of the parties.
]
] This tendency is reinforced by the rise of cable
] television, which attracts viewers by means of
] contentious "infotainment" programmes, and
] Internet bloggers, who engage in fierce polemics
] with no editorial filter.

A very interesting analysis. I've said that whether you are red or blue has to do with whether you are more afraid of the communists or the fundamentalists. Americans intuitively understand that the structure of their political system is the reason that it doesn't seem to reflect their interests. This comment takes that a little deeper.

I agree with his comment about the blogosphere. Its not a conversation. Its not a dialog. Its a million soap boxes. The popular ones tend to be the most polar because they are the most emotionally charged. The blogosphere, as it currently exists, is part of the problem. Its a check on the mass media, but it will be nothing more unless it can provide discourse.


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