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Reporting Vulnerabilities is for the Brave
by Acidus at 10:42 am EDT, May 23, 2006

As a consequence of that experience, I intend to provide the following instructions to students (until something changes):

1. If you find strange behaviors that may indicate that a web site is vulnerable, don’t try to confirm if it’s actually vulnerable.

2. Try to avoid using that system as much as is reasonable.

3. Don’t tell anyone (including me), don’t try to impress anyone, don’t brag that you’re smart because you found an issue, and don’t make innuendos. However much I wish I could, I can’t keep your anonymity and protect you from police questioning (where you may incriminate yourself), a police investigation gone awry and miscarriages of justice. We all want to do the right thing, and help people we perceive as in danger. However, you shouldn’t help when it puts you at the same or greater risk. The risk of being accused of felonies and having to defend yourself in court (as if you had the money to hire a lawyer — you’re a student!) is just too high. Moreover, this is a web site, an application; real people are not in physical danger. Forget about it.

4. Delete any evidence that you knew about this problem. You are not responsible for that web site, it’s not your problem — you have no reason to keep any such evidence. Go on with your life.

5. If you decide to report it against my advice, don’t tell or ask me anything about it. I’ve exhausted my limited pool of bravery — as other people would put it, I’ve experienced a chilling effect. Despite the possible benefits to the university and society at large, I’m intimidated by the possible consequences to my career, bank account and sanity. I agree with HD Moore, as far as production web sites are concerned: “There is no way to report a vulnerability safely”.


Reporting Vulnerabilities is for the Brave
by Rattle at 3:51 pm EDT, May 23, 2006

As a consequence of that experience, I intend to provide the following instructions to students (until something changes):

1. If you find strange behaviors that may indicate that a web site is vulnerable, don’t try to confirm if it’s actually vulnerable.

2. Try to avoid using that system as much as is reasonable.

3. Don’t tell anyone (including me), don’t try to impress anyone, don’t brag that you’re smart because you found an issue, and don’t make innuendos. However much I wish I could, I can’t keep your anonymity and protect you from police questioning (where you may incriminate yourself), a police investigation gone awry and miscarriages of justice. We all want to do the right thing, and help people we perceive as in danger. However, you shouldn’t help when it puts you at the same or greater risk. The risk of being accused of felonies and having to defend yourself in court (as if you had the money to hire a lawyer — you’re a student!) is just too high. Moreover, this is a web site, an application; real people are not in physical danger. Forget about it.

4. Delete any evidence that you knew about this problem. You are not responsible for that web site, it’s not your problem — you have no reason to keep any such evidence. Go on with your life.

5. If you decide to report it against my advice, don’t tell or ask me anything about it. I’ve exhausted my limited pool of bravery — as other people would put it, I’ve experienced a chilling effect. Despite the possible benefits to the university and society at large, I’m intimidated by the possible consequences to my career, bank account and sanity. I agree with HD Moore, as far as production web sites are concerned: “There is no way to report a vulnerability safely”.

The problems remains, there is no way to report vulnerabilities to site owners without taking on a huge personal risk. I've seen security issues at the university I attend, and I've looked the other way. There is no incentive to point them out, and no whistleblower protections for security researchers.


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