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Reuters | N.Korea nuke test relatively small: scientists
by Rattle at 10:11 am EDT, Oct 9, 2006

North Korea's nuclear test on Monday might have been a "mini-nuke" explosion possibly as low as one kiloton, comparable to some small tests by India and Pakistan in 1998, scientists said on Monday.

The U.S. Geological Survey said it had detected a 4.2 magnitude quake in North Korea at 10:35 local time (0135 GMT) on Monday, confirming a similar report from South Korea.

Gary Gibson, senior seismologist at Australia's Seismology Research Center, said a 4.2 magnitude quake would be the result of a one kiloton explosion.

"It depends on how the thing is set off. There is not a perfect correlation between magnitude and the yield and depends to some extent on the rock type they set it off in," he said.

"It is a relatively small nuclear test."

A U.S. intelligence source agreed that a preliminary examination of the data did not indicate a large blast or a series of explosions. But the source stressed that analysts were still working toward a definitive evaluation.

Nuclear analyst Andrew Davies, from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, said if the North Korean test yield was only a kiloton, Pyongyang may be disappointed.

"A kiloton is a very low yield and would tend to suggest, I would have thought, that the device was not all they hoped it would be," Davies told Reuters.

"If a nuclear, plutonium bomb fizzles, you can still get one or two kilotons quite easily. You still get a significant energy release. But an efficient device will give you more like 20 (kilotons)."

A source in Beijing who is close to the North Korean regime said Pyongyang had detonated a neutron bomb, designed to release larger amounts of deadly radiation than other nuclear weapons. There was no immediate confirmation of the claim.

Neutron bomb? That doesn't sound right...


 
RE: Reuters | N.Korea nuke test relatively small: scientists
by k at 1:07 pm EDT, Oct 9, 2006

Rattle wrote:

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A source in Beijing who is close to the North Korean regime said Pyongyang had detonated a neutron bomb, designed to release larger amounts of deadly radiation than other nuclear weapons. There was no immediate confirmation of the claim.

Neutron bomb? That doesn't sound right...

Why? N. Korea may well be interested in a bomb that kills people and doesn't destroy infrastructure (much). Think of South Korea. With neutron bombs they could clear it out and then move in and take it over without having to rebuild. The residual radiation from a neutron bomb doesn't last very long and doesn't result in much if any cancer down the road. It's a much "smarter" weapon to use in every way, unless your goal is complete obliteration for psychological reasons.

We're in a bad place relative to N. Korea right now. Ideally, everyone would have moved out of Seoul over the past couple decades so we could attack N. Korea without worrying about all the civilians in Seoul dying immediately. As it stands, we're stuck between sacrificing Seoul now but preventing DPRK from getting massively nuked up or waiting to see if something better comes along. I'm not optimistic.


  
RE: Reuters | N.Korea nuke test relatively small: scientists
by Rattle at 1:44 pm EDT, Oct 9, 2006

Why? N. Korea may well be interested in a bomb that kills people and doesn't destroy infrastructure (much). Think of South Korea. With neutron bombs they could clear it out and then move in and take it over without having to rebuild. The residual radiation from a neutron bomb doesn't last very long and doesn't result in much if any cancer down the road. It's a much "smarter" weapon to use in every way, unless your goal is complete obliteration for psychological reasons.

I doubt they could successfully build one. It's a way more complex design. It takes an enormous amount of tritium, which has a very short half-life (something like 14 years). It's a weapon that has an enormous upkeep cost. It's not practical for them to even attempt. We ditched our neutron bomb designs for the reasons of upkeep. They have shit for shelf life.

Not to mention, the only effect they are getting out of their current nuke test is a psychological one. The odds that their nukes are actually deliverable is very low. The more I information I read about this, the more it looks like their test was mostly a failure..

We're in a bad place relative to N. Korea right now. Ideally, everyone would have moved out of Seoul over the past couple decades so we could attack N. Korea without worrying about all the civilians in Seoul dying immediately. As it stands, we're stuck between sacrificing Seoul now but preventing DPRK from getting massively nuked up or waiting to see if something better comes along. I'm not optimistic.

Attacking North Korea isn't an option. Causing them to collapse, or rather letting them collapse, is an option... If China's cut off all aid, it would be very easy to make the regime collapse. It can't support itself. The aid from China is the only thing keeping the DPRK alive.

Of course, if aid from China was actually cut, it's a tossup as to wether Kim would see the writing on the wall and launch attacks on Seoul and Japan in an effort to get aid flowing again before a coup could occur.. And if a successful coup did occur, it's unknown how likely the new leader(s) would be to do the same thing.

When North Korea goes down, it will go down from within.. It's all a matter of if it strikes at the outside world on its way down... And what the situation following it's collapse looks like.


 
 
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