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Scalia the Civil Libertarian?
by ophten at 6:34 pm EST, Nov 28, 2006

Found this on Instapundit (don't shoot me in the face!).

"[Justice Scalia] has frequently taken an expansive view of the Bill of Rights, thus supporting defendants in criminal cases. Scalia is one of the intellectual godfathers of a strand of Supreme Court decisions, crystallized by Apprendi v. New Jersey, that revolutionized sentencing laws. Following a strict interpretation of the Fifth Amendment’s guarantee of due process of law and the Sixth Amendment’s right to trial by jury, Scalia has insisted that any fact used to extend punishment beyond normal statutory limits must be specified and proved to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. Despite his fevered support for capital punishment, Scalia also joined a court majority in holding that the Constitution requires a death sentence to be decided by a jury, rather than by a judge, effectively setting aside every capital sentence still on direct appeal in five states." - NY Times


 
RE: Scalia the Civil Libertarian?
by Decius at 7:09 pm EST, Nov 28, 2006

ophten wrote:
Found this on Instapundit (don't shoot me in the face!).

I wrote a whole paper on him, remember... You do know that you can select text in the article you are memeing before hitting the bookmarklet and that text will be included for you in your post all nice and blockquoted, right?


Scalia the Civil Libertarian? - New York Times
by Decius at 7:33 pm EST, Nov 28, 2006

Even beyond these affiliations, Justice Scalia’s flamethrowing rhetoric and his hostility to whole chapters of 20th-century jurisprudence have made him a conservative icon and a favorite face on liberal dart boards.

Thats because partisanship is stupid. Scalia's position, generally speaking, is that the Constitution means what it says. When it says freedom of speech it means it. When it doesn't say anything at all about abortion, it doesn't say anything at all about abortion. His position is that if you want to protect something like abortion, you ought to amend the Constitution. As the Constitutional jurisprudence pendellum has swung quite far to the left, in general his perspective ends up meaning that the Constitution protects less rights than we think it does. The result is that authoritarians are happy and liberals are unhappy. But this isn't actually Scalia's goal. Scalia imagines a world in which loose interpretation of the Constitution is employed by authoritarians in the way that it is employed today by liberals. Take the arguements that are made by the left about the second amendment and apply them to the first... "Back in those days you didn't have the Internet (nuclear weapons), you just had pamphlets (muskets)... Allowing people to freely run websites (own nuclear weapons) is crazy, so the Constitution must mean something else... its a vestige of a different time..." This is the future he is trying to fight. He doesn't per say argue that homosexuality ought to be illegal. He argues that if you want to protect it as a constitutional right, you ought to do so with an amendment, which has teeth, rather than a judicial interpretation, which doesn't.

The problem is that the only reason he is allowed to make these arguments in that place is that the authoritarians find him useful. They're not interested in philosophy, and law is not merely a technical pursuit. It is inherently political, and frankly the politics this country most needs is a return to a healthy distrust of authority. I'd trust not the soccer mom Democrats nor the moralizing Republicans nor even the "me first" Libertarians with the task of properly unfucking the Constitution so that the values we actually have are really represented in the text.


 
RE: Scalia the Civil Libertarian? - New York Times
by Acidus at 10:39 pm EST, Nov 28, 2006

Decius wrote:

Even beyond these affiliations, Justice Scalia’s flamethrowing rhetoric and his hostility to whole chapters of 20th-century jurisprudence have made him a conservative icon and a favorite face on liberal dart boards.

Thats because partisanship is stupid. Scalia's position, generally speaking, is that the Constitution means what it says. When it says freedom of speech it means it. When it doesn't say anything at all about abortion, it doesn't say anything at all about abortion. His position is that if you want to protect something like abortion, you ought to amend the Constitution. As the Constitutional jurisprudence pendellum has swung quite far to the left, in general his perspective ends up meaning that the Constitution protects less rights than we think it does. The result is that authoritarians are happy and liberals are unhappy. But this isn't actually Scalia's goal. Scalia imagines a world in which loose interpretation of the Constitution is employed by authoritarians in the way that it is employed today by liberals. Take the arguements that are made by the left about the second amendment and apply them to the first... "Back in those days you didn't have the Internet (nuclear weapons), you just had pamphlets (muskets)... Allowing people to freely run websites (own nuclear weapons) is crazy, so the Constitution must mean something else... its a vestige of a different time..." This is the future he is trying to fight. He doesn't per say argue that homosexuality ought to be illegal. He argues that if you want to protect it as a constitutional right, you ought to do so with an amendment, which has teeth, rather than a judicial interpretation, which doesn't.

The problem is that the only reason he is allowed to make these arguments in that place is that the authoritarians find him useful. They're not interested in philosophy, and law is not merely a technical pursuit. It is inherently political, and frankly the politics this country most needs is a return to a healthy distrust of authority. I'd trust not the soccer mom Democrats nor the moralizing Republicans nor even the "me first" Libertarians with the task of properly unfucking the Constitution so that the values we actually have are really represented in the text.

Nice analysis Tom! Thats an interesting light with which to reexamine Scalia's decisions.


 
 
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