Decius wrote:
Did you read the Dem's debate. Did that even happen? I haven't heard anyone talking about it. I'm wondering if there were any similarly telling moments. I looked at some of it but most of it was blah blah blah....

I hate to be so cynical, but it all sounds like a lot of blah blah blah to me these days.

[EDIT] You're actually right about Ron Paul... he says some very reasonable things on Iraq and torture in particular, though he's less good elsewhere. Also, I never answered your other question :

Decius wrote:
Why is McCain out for you?

The war is the easiest one for me to pick out. I don't think we're making a difference. I don't think we can. I think this "Never pull out!" rhetoric is naive, dangerous and costly to american lives and treasure. He calls out Reid for saying we've lost, but I'm actually of pretty much the same opinion. It's over. Bush fucked it up. *Could* we have done it right, even assuming it was necessary? Sure, probably. But we didn't, and I don't see it as particularly fixable at this point. In any cost/benefit analysis I can think of, it's pointless to continue.

What bothers me far more than what these candidates, is when the audience chose to applaud. They scare me far more.

True that. A lot. For Giulianni and his "RAH RAH NYC 9/11 NEVER FORGET" shenanigans in particular. He and his ilk scare the crap out of me.

RE: Republican Presidential Candiates on Torture