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High Court ruling may delay war crimes trials - Yahoo! News
by Mike the Usurper at 12:55 pm EDT, Jun 12, 2008 |
The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that foreign terrorism suspects held at Guantanamo Bay have rights under the Constitution to challenge their detention in U.S. civilian courts.
Message to George and Dick. "Go fuck yourselves." Message to everyone, this was a 5-4 decision, the dissent core was Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts. If you need another description on just how thin the margin is between America and a police state is, it's ONE vote. November matters. |
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RE: High Court ruling may delay war crimes trials - Yahoo! News
by Decius at 1:57 pm EDT, Jun 12, 2008 |
Mike the Usurper wrote:
Message to everyone, this was a 5-4 decision, the dissent core was Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts. If you need another description on just how thin the margin is between America and a police state is, it's ONE vote.
You might be right but I'm not sure this case illustrates it. This is about alien enemy combatants. Its already been agreed that there is some process that they must have. Congress created a process. This case holds that Congress didn't create enough process. Either way, we're now far removed from the basic question of indefinite detention without process that was raised a few years ago. Furthermore, if these detainees were being held at Ramstein instead of Gitmo the holding would be different. I'm not sure that would have been the end of the world. |
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RE: High Court ruling may delay war crimes trials - Yahoo! News
by Mike the Usurper at 3:44 pm EDT, Jun 12, 2008 |
Decius wrote: Mike the Usurper wrote:
Message to everyone, this was a 5-4 decision, the dissent core was Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts. If you need another description on just how thin the margin is between America and a police state is, it's ONE vote.
You might be right but I'm not sure this case illustrates it. This is about alien enemy combatants. Its already been agreed that there is some process that they must have. Congress created a process. This case holds that Congress didn't create enough process. Either way, we're now far removed from the basic question of indefinite detention without process that was raised a few years ago. Furthermore, if these detainees were being held at Ramstein instead of Gitmo the holding would be different. I'm not sure that would have been the end of the world.
Tom, if they were held at Ramstein, they would be subject under German law, our base or not. Had Congress created sufficient process, which the godforsaken MCA was designed to do, based on today's statements, it would have also been rejected. The entire statement "alien enemy combatants" is a crock. Either this is a war, and they are POWs, or it is not a war, and they are subject to standard criminal proceedings. One or the other. Instead, we are looking at some invented pile of crap, in the never ending war on Eastasia, or is it Eurasia this week? We've been sold a bill of goods. |
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