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I, Cringely | The Pulpit
by crankymessiah at 1:31 pm EDT, Jul 24, 2003

] When I mentioned in last week's column that I would this
] week be writing about a legal way to do a successful
] music downloading business -- a business that would
] threaten the Recording Industry Association of America
] and its hegemony -- dozens of readers wrote to me trying
] to predict what I would write. Some readers came at the
] problem from a purely technical perspective, ignoring the
] fact that the real issues here aren't technical but
] legal. Some readers took a legal approach, but they
] tended to ignore the business model. Some were looking
] solely for the business model. Interestingly, nobody
] even came close to my idea, which makes me either a total
] loon or a diabolical genius. Truth be told, I'm probably
] more of a diabolical loon.
]
]
] The reason I am even writing this column is two-fold.
] The biggest reason is simply because I would like people
] to consider lateral solutions to problems. I am pushing
] the concept of problem solving in a new way. There is no
] particular methodology here, just the underlying concept
] that if things aren't working the way you like, think of
] something different. Too often, people restrict their
] thinking or they somehow expect the world to change just
] for them, which it won't. But taking a lateral approach
] often yields interesting results. And once you've found
] an approach, maybe it can be applied to a different
] problem. What I am abo


 
RE: I, Cringely | The Pulpit
by flynn23 at 8:45 am EDT, Jul 25, 2003

crankymessiah wrote:
] ] When I mentioned in last week's column that I would this
] ] week be writing about a legal way to do a successful
] ] music downloading business -- a business that would
] ] threaten the Recording Industry Association of America
] ] and its hegemony -- dozens of readers wrote to me trying
] ] to predict what I would write. Some readers came at the
] ] problem from a purely technical perspective, ignoring the
] ] fact that the real issues here aren't technical but
] ] legal. Some readers took a legal approach, but they
] ] tended to ignore the business model. Some were looking
] ] solely for the business model. Interestingly, nobody
] ] even came close to my idea, which makes me either a total
] ] loon or a diabolical genius. Truth be told, I'm probably
] ] more of a diabolical loon.
] ]
] ]
] ] The reason I am even writing this column is two-fold.
] ] The biggest reason is simply because I would like people
] ] to consider lateral solutions to problems. I am pushing
] ] the concept of problem solving in a new way. There is no
] ] particular methodology here, just the underlying concept
] ] that if things aren't working the way you like, think of
] ] something different. Too often, people restrict their
] ] thinking or they somehow expect the world to change just
] ] for them, which it won't. But taking a lateral approach
] ] often yields interesting results. And once you've found
] ] an approach, maybe it can be applied to a different
] ] problem. What I am abo

did you see last week's column? look in Old Hat


  
RE: I, Cringely | The Pulpit
by Hijexx at 6:55 pm EDT, Jul 25, 2003

flynn23 wrote:

] did you see last week's column? look in Old Hat

Yeah, how much of that article was just a verbatim quote of what you wrote? It's hard to tell.

One thing wrong with the Snapster business model: What's the incentive for the artist? People seem to forget the commodity. Sure, buy the whole catalog of recorded works that you can for a little over a million dollars. When the next hot album comes out, the system collapses if the record company isn't moving cellophane like it used to. Where would the money for marketing come from? I think consumer demand is extremely fickle. For this to work as envisioned, a lot of the supposely "prehistoric" systems would still need to remain in place, such as mass media hype.

How would rights revocation work? Suppose an out of print recording is lost from the vault. Would all users in the co-op still have rights to their backups? I don't think they'd be able to continue trading backups. It is an interesting idea though.


   
RE: I, Cringely | The Pulpit
by flynn23 at 10:03 am EDT, Jul 28, 2003

Hijexx wrote:
] flynn23 wrote:
]
] ] did you see last week's column? look in Old Hat
]
] Yeah, how much of that article was just a verbatim quote of
] what you wrote? It's hard to tell.

is it that noticeable?

] One thing wrong with the Snapster business model: What's the
] incentive for the artist? People seem to forget the
] commodity. Sure, buy the whole catalog of recorded works that
] you can for a little over a million dollars. When the next
] hot album comes out, the system collapses if the record
] company isn't moving cellophane like it used to. Where would
] the money for marketing come from? I think consumer demand is
] extremely fickle. For this to work as envisioned, a lot of
] the supposely "prehistoric" systems would still need to remain
] in place, such as mass media hype.

People forget that the artist could still make money in an all digital distribution model, even without DRM. The point being that the artist would probably sell less total units (a hypothetical at best. It's conceivable that that the artist would actually sell more due to better pricing and a larger total market) but would actually keep more 'profit' for themselves. They could easily hire a major label for whatever functions they desire (marketing, production, etc) instead of being enslaved by the patron model and having to recoup 'expenses' back to the label. To be sure, the economics would definitely fluctuate while the transition was happening, but it could ignite the afterburners on sales. Smart artists will always prevail.

] How would rights revocation work? Suppose an out of print
] recording is lost from the vault. Would all users in the
] co-op still have rights to their backups? I don't think
] they'd be able to continue trading backups. It is an
] interesting idea though.

I doubt this would be an issue. For this system to be credible, you'd have to have a tremendous amount of storage (logical and physical) and definitely a management system in place for cataloging your content. It's not likely that you'd need to keep each and every physical source. In the case of ceedees, you could just keep the image of the disc and regenerate it if necessary. Proof of ownership could simply be a manifest or receipt of purchase.


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