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Stargate Information Archive - Federal Charges Filed Against SG-1 Archive
by Decius at 5:11 pm EDT, Jul 26, 2004

UPDATE: There are some very interesting posts flying around about this guy being an ebay scam artist:

http://www.boingboing.net/2004/07/26/stargate_fansite_ope.html

People he has screwed are all over the place talking about it in the context of this story. Kind of brings his credibility into question.

] However, instead of thanking Adam for his promotion of
] their product, officials at MGM and the MPAA have chosen
] to pressure the FBI into pursuing criminal charges. Adam
] was first tipped off about the investigation when the FBI
] raided his and his fiancee's apartment in May of 2002 and
] seized thousands of dollars worth of computer equipment.

] Adam later received a copy of the affidavit filed in
] support of the search warrant, and was shocked to
] discover that this document, prepared by the FBI,
] contained significant amounts of erroneous and misleading
] information. For example, two social security numbers
] were listed for Adam, one of which is not his. References
] were made to a cease and desist letter sent by the MPAA
] to an email address that did not exist.
His online
] friendship with other Stargate fans across the globe was
] portrayed as an international conspiracy against the
] MPAA. And perhaps most disturbing of all, it was later
] revealed that the FBI invoked a provision of the USA
] Patriot Act
to obtain financial records from his ISP. The
] FBI's abuse of its powers did not stop there. When they
] seized Adam's computer equipment, he was given written
] documentation stating that it would be returned within 60
] days. The equipment that they did return did not arrive
] until more than 8 months later, and only then after much
] prodding from his lawyer. Much of it was damaged beyond
] repair - one laptop had a shattered LCD screen, an empty
] tape backup drive was ripped apart for no apparent
] reason, his fiancee's iBook was badly damaged when it was
] pried apart with a screwdriver.

1. Welcome to the new world of criminal copyright prosecutions. This reminds me of operation Sun Devil. The FBI is usually far more professional then this. Apparently they've assigned a bunch of idiots to their copyright sqaud, which is reasonable at first glance in that its not very important, but ultimately a mistake because this issue is too controversial and too visible to be handled by thugs. These guys aren't going to stop behaving this way until a judge throws the book at them (as occured to the Chicago Secret Service agents who raided Steve Jackson Games). Therefore, I suggesting holding on to your seats. There will be a bunch more stories where this came from, and as the net is a hell of a lot louder then it was in 1991 you can expect the FBI to feel some very serious pressure over the issue as the horrors mount up.

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RE: Stargate Information Archive - Federal Charges Filed Against SG-1 Archive
by Rattle at 5:17 pm EDT, Jul 27, 2004

Decius wrote:
] UPDATE: There are some very interesting posts flying
] around about this guy being an ebay scam artist:
]
] http://www.boingboing.net/2004/07/26/stargate_fansite_ope.html
]
] People he has screwed are all over the place talking about it
] in the context of this story. Kind of brings his credibility
] into question.

There is some seriously important information missing from this story. Its the only way I can rationalize it. This one needs to develop. This guy could be a serial con artist and this is just charge #1..

] Moving copyright cases into the criminal justice system was
] bad, bad, bad law. It seems like we're going to get a stiff
] lesson in why.

Going at him using the criminal end of the system using streaming videos as a charge seems odd. It implies very auspicious circumstances..

The Patriot Act being used is very disturbing. We were told that would not be used in domestic criminal matters. That at the very least implies that they could have gotten his ISP finical records another way, and they were just doing their records harvesting in the easiest way available (which I don't like). I would like more details on this.

This entire story is a little thick. Things don't fit.

However, some other things fit perfectly. If lets just say iBook, tape drive, etc, came via some scam or fraud the FBI were aware of, sending the stuff back broken after lawyer demands is exactly the type of thing I could picture happening.


  
RE: Stargate Information Archive - Federal Charges Filed Against SG-1 Archive
by Decius at 5:23 pm EDT, Jul 27, 2004

Rattle wrote:
] Decius wrote:
] ] UPDATE: There are some very interesting posts flying
] ] around about this guy being an ebay scam artist:

Sorry I forgot to turn off my bold there. You might want to fix that in your post...

] The Patriot Act being used is very disturbing. We were told
] that would not be used in domestic criminal matters. That at
] the very least implies that they could have gotten his ISP
] finical records another way, and they were just doing their
] records harvesting in the easiest way available (which I don't
] like). I would like more details on this.

Well, they did nothing wrong. There are certain provisions in the Patriot act that have to do with terrorism. Others don't. The provision in question doesn't. Whats important is that politically the Patriot act was sold as an anti-terrorism tool, and yet we see it here being used in a context that has nothing at all to do with it's purported justification. Politically there is room to be angry about this. Technically its not illegal, but its the sort of thing you ask Senators about. Why did they allow this law to be used in this context?


Stargate Information Archive - Federal Charges Filed Against SG-1 Archive
by Acidus at 6:46 pm EDT, Jul 26, 2004

] However, instead of thanking Adam for his promotion of
] their product, officials at MGM and the MPAA have chosen
] to pressure the FBI into pursuing criminal charges. Adam
] was first tipped off about the investigation when the FBI
] raided his and his fiancee's apartment in May of 2002 and
] seized thousands of dollars worth of computer equipment.

] Adam later received a copy of the affidavit filed in
] support of the search warrant, and was shocked to
] discover that this document, prepared by the FBI,
] contained significant amounts of erroneous and misleading
] information. For example, two social security numbers
] were listed for Adam, one of which is not his. References
] were made to a cease and desist letter sent by the MPAA
] to an email address that did not exist.
His online
] friendship with other Stargate fans across the globe was
] portrayed as an international conspiracy against the
] MPAA. And perhaps most disturbing of all, it was later
] revealed that the FBI invoked a provision of the USA
] Patriot Act
to obtain financial records from his ISP. The
] FBI's abuse of its powers did not stop there. When they
] seized Adam's computer equipment, he was given written
] documentation stating that it would be returned within 60
] days. The equipment that they did return did not arrive
] until more than 8 months later, and only then after much
] prodding from his lawyer. Much of it was damaged beyond
] repair - one laptop had a shattered LCD screen, an empty
] tape backup drive was ripped apart for no apparent
] reason, his fiancee's iBook was badly damaged when it was
] pried apart with a screwdriver.

1. Welcome to the new world of criminal copyright prosecutions. This reminds me of operation Sun Devil. The FBI is usually far more professional then this. Apparently they've assigned a bunch of idiots to their copyright sqaud, which is reasonable at first glance in that its not very important, but ultimately a mistake because this issue is too controversial and too visible to be handled by thugs. These guys aren't going to stop behaving this way until a judge throws the book at them (as occured to the Chicago Secret Service agents who raided Steve Jackson Games). Therefore, I suggesting holding on to your seats. There will be a bunch more stories where this came from, and as the net is a hell of a lot louder then it was in 1991 you can expect the FBI to feel some very serious pressure over the issue as the horrors mount up.

2. The seizure of thousands of dollars worth of equipment, the destruction of said equipment, and then the choice of legal venue meant to maximize the financial costs associated with trial... This has all the earmarks of an investigation that is intended to be punative in and of itself. Punative investigations are unconstitutional.

3. This is why copyright issues need to remain in civil courts and not criminal courts. We don't need our security forces out smashing computers for the MPAA. There is absolutely no reason why the MPAA couldn't have filed a civil motion in this case in the jurisdiction the actual website was in.

It seems clear that a properly delivered cease and desist letter would have solved the problem here. No fuss, no muss. Handling crimes like this in this manner is extremely expensive for taxpayers and tends to disrupt and destroy innocent people's lives when they accidentally become the target of it.

Moving copyright cases into the criminal justice system was bad, bad, bad law. It seems like we're going to get a stiff lesson in why.


 
RE: Stargate Information Archive - Federal Charges Filed Against SG-1 Archive
by Vile at 4:55 am EDT, Jul 28, 2004

Acidus wrote:
] ] However, instead of thanking Adam for his promotion of
] ] their product, officials at MGM and the MPAA have chosen
] ] to pressure the FBI into pursuing criminal charges. Adam
] ] was first tipped off about the investigation when the FBI
]
] ] raided his and his fiancee's apartment in May of 2002 and
] ] seized thousands of dollars worth of computer equipment.

]
] ] Adam later received a copy of the affidavit filed in
] ] support of the search warrant, and was shocked to
] ] discover that this document, prepared by the FBI,
] ] contained significant amounts of erroneous and misleading
] ] information. For example, two social security numbers
] ] were listed for Adam, one of which is not his. References
]
] ] were made to a cease and desist letter sent by the MPAA
] ] to an email address that did not exist.
His online
] ] friendship with other Stargate fans across the globe was
] ] portrayed as an international conspiracy against the
] ] MPAA. And perhaps most disturbing of all, it was later
] ] revealed that the FBI invoked a provision of the USA
] ] Patriot Act
to obtain financial records from his ISP.
] The
] ] FBI's abuse of its powers did not stop there. When they
] ] seized Adam's computer equipment, he was given written
] ] documentation stating that it would be returned within 60
] ] days. The equipment that they did return did not arrive
] ] until more than 8 months later, and only then after much
] ] prodding from his lawyer. Much of it was damaged beyond
] ] repair - one laptop had a shattered LCD screen, an empty
] ] tape backup drive was ripped apart for no apparent
] ] reason, his fiancee's iBook was badly damaged when it was
] ] pried apart with a screwdriver.

]
] 1. Welcome to the new world of criminal copyright
] prosecutions. This reminds me of operation Sun Devil.
] The FBI is usually far more professional then this. Apparently
] they've assigned a bunch of idiots to their copyright sqaud,
] which is reasonable at first glance in that its not very
] important, but ultimately a mistake because this issue is too
] controversial and too visible to be handled by thugs. These
] guys aren't going to stop behaving this way until a judge
] throws the book at them (as occured to the Chicago Secret
] Service agents who raided Steve Jackson Games). Therefore, I
] suggesting holding on to your seats. There will be a bunch
] more stories where this came from, and as the net is a hell of
] a lot louder then it was in 1991 you can expect the FBI to
] feel some very serious pressure over the issue as the horrors
] mount up.
]
] 2. The seizure of thousands of dollars worth of equipment, the
] destruction of said equipment, and t... [ Read More (0.2k in body) ]


Stargate Information Archive - Federal Charges Filed Against SG-1 Archive
by k at 10:53 am EDT, Jul 27, 2004

[ I note that the original posting of this story pulls from the press release of the guy being charged. Not always, but sometimes, people are biased when they are the target of a legal action.

Still, I completely agree that the FBI need not have been involved at all, and that the application of PATRIOT provisions is probably a whole bunch of out of line. The destruction of his equipment is a shame and also really should not be considered appropriate... it's almost got to be punitive - any moron could open a computer without demolishing it... this should especially be true for people whose job it is to take apart computers and do forensics.

Now, the guy is almost certainly guilty of infringment, having apparently hosted episodes of the show on the site, but as others have noted, all of it could've been handled in a civil (and i mean that in every possible connotation) manner, without going jackboots all over the guys life. The MPAA is trying to pull off a RIAA-style fear campaign, but i think they've gone way past reasonable.

I'll be interested to hear more... the details on wether C&D's were sent properly or if adequate efforts were taken to resolve this issue without the FBI are still pretty hazy. -k]


 
RE: Stargate Information Archive - Federal Charges Filed Against SG-1 Archive
by Decius at 11:41 am EDT, Jul 27, 2004

k wrote:
] [ I note that the original posting of this story pulls from
] the press release of the guy being charged. Not always, but
] sometimes, people are biased when they are the target of a
] legal action.

I'm sure he is. I wish he has actually scanned and posted his warrent. Taken pictures of the equipment. There is a lot he could do to lend credence to his story. However, I've heard so many stories like this that it doesn't seem unlikely.


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