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Finding Your First Apartment in New York City - Your Apartment May Be Smaller Than Expected - Housing - New York Times
by janelane at 4:41 pm EDT, Apr 21, 2008

The thousands of new graduates who will be driving the engine of the city’s rental market from now until September will quickly learn that renting in New York is not like renting anywhere else.

The second shock is likely to be how small a Manhattan apartment can be. It is not uncommon in New York, for example, to shop for a junior one-bedroom or a convertible one-bedroom, neither of which is a true one-bedroom at all but really a studio that already has or can have a wall put up to create a bedroom.

Aside from the realities of price and space, the requirements set by New York landlords are also bound to help turn a bright-eyed first-time renter’s outlook grim. To start with, landlords want only tenants who earn at least 40 times the monthly rent, which means an $80,000 annual salary for a $2,000 apartment. According to census data, more than 25,000 graduates ages 22 to 28 moved to the city in 2006, and their median salary was about $35,600.

Those who don’t make 40 times their monthly rent need a guarantor, usually a parent, who in turn must make at least 80 times the monthly rent. In addition to a security deposit, some landlords also want the first and last month’s rent. Tack on a broker’s fee and a prospective renter for that $2,000 apartment is out of pocket nearly $10,000 just to get the keys to the place.

The apartment sizes and prices in NY never cease to amaze me.

-janelane


 
RE: Finding Your First Apartment in New York City - Your Apartment May Be Smaller Than Expected - Housing - New York Times
by k at 11:20 am EDT, Apr 25, 2008

janelane wrote:

The thousands of new graduates who will be driving the engine of the city’s rental market from now until September will quickly learn that renting in New York is not like renting anywhere else.

The apartment sizes and prices in NY never cease to amaze me.

-janelane

Yeah, it's a fucking nightmare up there. The k's recently went through it but didn't even look in Manhattan... they got what they wanted out in Brooklyn in a nice neighborhood that's only a few subway stops from Manhattan, but a lot more reasonable, cost wise.

I think the broker thing can be gotten around, but you more or less have to just be there, so you can make a move quickly. Turnover is virtually instantaneous, so it's a matter of extreme luck or, if you have the flexibility, extreme patience.

I'd love to live in New York, but I'm not sure my earning potential there is high enough to support that wish.

If you compare NYC and Atlanta cost of living, NYC comes out at about 200%, but the average salaries are only 117% of Atlanta's. So you're effectively taking a sizable pay cut to live there.

Still, it's one of the greatest cities in the world... you definitely pay an entry fee to live in that environment. Atlanta would rather chop down the trees in all the suburbs than invest in even a marginally functional transit system, by comparison.

-k


 
 
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